eviltwin2 ([info]eviltwin2) wrote in [info]survivalist,

Ice Storm Observations

Ice Storm Observations


Some thoughts on the recent ice storm and power outages here in the NY/Berkshires region.

Lighting – I think people need to put a little more thought into flashlights. That Surefire Hellstorm might be able to set newspaper on fire at 1 meter, but can you put it down on a table without it rolling off? Can you hold it in your mouth while using both hands for something else. I found that my Surefire 6P and E2 Outdoorsman were great lights for certain tasks, but not others. For instance, when HouseHold6 made dinner and we all sat down to eat at a dining room table, the small Surefire lights weren’t helpful. The Surefires would not stand upright, their light beam was narrowly focused, they got hot if kept continually on. Far better would have been a small LED camping lantern or something of similar design. The lesson here was that one size does not fit all when it comes to flashlights. A wide selection of different types of lights and lanterns may be better than just issuing everyone a 6P Classic and calling it good.

LED lights are great. I had retrofitted some older Maglites to LED and it was absolutely the right way to go. A couple small LED ‘lanterns’ would have been really helpful though.

I had an LED headband light and while it’s not something you’d want to use tactically or for running around, it’s amazingly handy when you’re trying to use both hands for some task.

Clear glass beer mugs are great holders for votive candles. They are easier to carry because of the handle, the high sides prevent the wind from blowing out the flame and the beer mug is wide enough and heavy enough to avoid being easily upset when you leave it on a table or countertop. This arrangement was particularly useful for leaving one small candle safely going in each bathroom so that in the middle of the night we could easily stumble our way to the toilet.

Fuel– We were generally good for gasoline. The importance of having a hose and siphon can not be understated. I was working with one arm, the other having recently had surgery and not being much use. You can not lift a 5 gallon gas can one handed –and- pour it into a generator. Not happening. What I would do was put the gas can on top of the generator (turned off), stick one end of a siphon in the can and the other into the generator fuel tank and transfer the fuel that way. An associate had a generator set up, but his problem was not getting fel, but storing it. It turns out he only had one gas can and it really didn’t pay to drive all the way to the one functioning gas station and waiting in line for one can of gas. Always have plenty of gas cans. They don’t even need to be kept full ( although why wouldn’t you) just handy so that when you find gas you have a way to store/transport it.

We were low on kerosene and I wound up paying about $1.50 more per gallon than I would have under normal circumstances to get some. That’s my fault for having dipped into my kerosene reserve without replacing it. On the subject of kerosene, I have 2 kerosene heaters. A primary and a back-up. When it got really cold and we tried the back-up it wouldn’t work. While we were able to manage, it would have been nice to have 2 heaters going.

Electricity – I never bought a generator because I figured I could get along without one. I never anticipated the power being out for more than a couple days. After 3 days the power company told us it would be another week before power came back to my relatively remote area. I called around in a 100 mile radius and no generators were to be found. I called Home Depot stores down on the edge of NYC, figuring no one there would need a generator, and even these places were cleaned out. By blind luck/providence I got my hands on a new 5500 watt generator locally (no it wasn’t the Mayors).
Having gotten the (heavy!) generator home offloaded, assembled, fueled and ready to go, I realized that I had no clue how to hook it into the house. For a while I simply used extension cords to provide lighting and power a television as well as recharge certain rechargeable items.

I checked the motor on the furnace and the data plate indicated that the power requirements were within the generators capabilities. Ultimately, I took a good hard look at my heating system (oil burner that provides heat via 3 zone cast iron baseboard) and was able to isolate the one line that fed the whole thing. I cut that line and ran the furnace end to the generator – presto – whole house heat. The circulator pumps kicked in and all was well.

The well pump takes 240 and I did not have a 240 line to go from the generator. We lived without the well pump, but if I had been able to get that going HouseHold6 would have been able to get a hot shower . Also, the dishes would have gotten done and the rest of the household could have cleaned up as well.

Travel – Roads were pretty well blocked by downed trees. Most of the time however you could barrel through the thinner stuff if you didn’t mind scratching the paint and pinging your radio antennae. I drive a 1989 Dodge and there is no original paint and the antennae folds down, so….. Later, certain municipalities closed their roads to all traffic, except emergency vehicles. Having VFD lights and markings on the vehicle as well as FF identification comes in handy.
The only times I went out were for water, ice and fuel . I had fuel and water at the house, but preferred not to use it if other sources were available.

Water – When the power went out, so did the well pump. 100 gallons of potable water was in reserve. I had my son collect sheets of ice and we put them in a metal pot that sat atop a kerosene heater. This melted icewater was used for flushing and rinsing dishes.
When the weather warmed up, we placed plastic 55 gallon drums under the downspouts and as roof ice melted we would catch the run-off.
I had several military 5 gallon water cans and when I would go out for fuel, I would take these with me and fill them with potable water at the firehouse (which had power and was a back-up emergency shelter for my municipality). Again, being in the VFD let me access all parts of this heated and lit building, so getting water and even recharging some battery packs and getting some internet time were possible.

Food – No problem there. We had plenty of food both on hand in our kitchen and in secure basement storage. One issue that is really more personal than critical was china and silverware. I have a thing about a sink being full of dirty dishes and HouseHold6 won’t use cold water to clean dishes. The result was piles of dirty dishes in the sink for a few days. Eventually, we heated enough water for her to do them to her satisfaction, bit it may have bee easier to keep a reserve of paper plates and bowls and disposable utensils.
Our main stove is dual-fuel, using propane for the burners and electric for the oven. Aside from having to use a match to light the burners, stove use was pretty much unaffected. We also had a 20 pound propane tank and single burner set up outside. This was useful for some of the more ‘smoky’ things that HouseHold6 makes, like grilled steaks and certain oriental dishes. Normally, electric powered vent fans keep that in check.

Refrigeration – The American Red Cross was staged at our firehouse. The local power company was there as well with cases of bottled water and bags of dry ice. As you can imagine, there was a demand for both. Phone service was surprisingly intact, so when the dry ice showed up the fireman on CQ duty at the firehouse called me to let me know and then put several bags on the side for me to pick up. Did I mention it’s always helpful to be in the VFD? Because the weather was pretty cold, we placed most of our food outside. We had some animal issues with that and although solution number 1022 seemed feasible, it required too much vigilance. The food was placed in 5 gallon buckets and hung from a deck. What didn’t fit in the buckets was placed in the back of cars that were not in use, keeping the food cold and secure.

Security – Not an issue where I live. One road in, all private and my family is the only one on this mountaintop that is not a blood relative to the other 9 (whom we are on excellent terms with). The Mayor of the local municipality, however, had his generator stolen right from his front porch. When I did get a generator, I had it chained to a ground anchoring point. Not so much because of my neighbors (who all had their own generators going and are “LMI’s”) but because you never know who might come up that private road uninvited and hear my generator going and decide to make it his. As it turned out, the only issues I had were with feral cats trying to get to the frozen foods we stored outdoors.
This is not to say that “Repel Boarders” gear was not within easy reach.

Communication – Phone service for me was not lost. I live in an area that is ‘iffy’ when it comes to cell phones. Hardwired phones were fine. Internet service was spotty, but when it was running, one needed a power supply for the modem. I had mine plugged into an inverter that ran to a battery charger that powered both modem and laptop and let me get online for little bits here and there.
A battery powered scanner was very useful in terms of hearing what was going on. In addition, I have a 110 watt fire radio in my truck that picks up the local fire frequencies and can broadcast on them as well. A similar radio rig is set up in my basement.

Although HouseHold6 never had to leave home, if she had there would have been no way for her vehicle to communicate with mine or with home. I think a radio for her vehicle is in the future.

Things I learned for next time:
You can not have too many clean 5 gallon pails with lids. They stack easily and can be had free if you’re willing to put the time into cleaning them.

You can not have too many gas cans and water cans. What you’re not using can always be lent out.

You can not have too many boxes of wooden matches. Have one box out for use and the other stored in a watertight container.

You can not have too many –good- extension cords. No one ever complains ‘Hey, this extension cord is 2 feet longer than I need.” Get long ones and get the heavy duty ones, the kind you need to show a Building Trades Union Card before the guy at Loewes will sell it to you. I have a friend who has a 100 foot extension cord; most of the time it’s a pain in the ass, but when you need it, you –need- it.

The time to look for a generator is before you and 60,000 neighbors need one. I could have bought an 1800 watt generator, but the 5500 will just about power the house. Go big.

The time to learn how to hook a generator into your house lines is when it is warm, bright and you have 2 hands. Rigging a transfer panel or even splicing wires is best done when you’re not under pressure and in the dark.

Gas has gotten cheaper. Keep your primary vehicle/response vehicle/war wagon topped off.
Having all your important phone numbers (gas, electric company, fuel oil guy, other FF’s) on a spreadsheet is great as long as you can power the computer. If it’s important and your going to need it in an emergency, print it out now!

Power inverters and plug adapters are very handy, but only if you can find them when you need them. Try to keep everything together.

LED’s are great. The higher quality Compact Fluorescent Light bulbs are next best, especially when they are being powered of a battery supply.

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[info]bandicoot

December 16 2008, 00:56:37 UTC 3 years ago

Good AAR - thanks! Our power hasn't been off here for longer than 4 days, so it's good to hear about some of the longer term problems.

For general light, I use a Coleman dual tube fluorescent lantern powered by 8 D cells or 2 lantern batteries. I haven't had to change batteries for several years, although I have several spare sets. At some point I'll invest in an LED lantern, though.

LED votive type lights are really good to bring some light to dark areas, and are very easy on batteries.

Besides headband lights, you can also get LED lights that clip on the visor of a hat. They're great when you need both hands to do stuff outside in the dark.

Little keychain LED flashlights are great, especially if they have flat ends for standing upright and momentary push-button on-off switches.

I run reading lights and a small TV or radio from an inverter that runs off a 250AH battery stack that I got from a server backup setup that was left at a colo. They're way past their rated life, but still do a great job. I have another stack powering a computer, and a small 40AH one that is portable.

For long term use, I made the mistake of getting a generator slightly too small and with no 220v, so I can't use it to power the well pump. Luckily we have a large storage tank and several pressure tanks, so we should have enough water.

I picked up 250 feet of #12-3 cable from eBay and made two 50 foot extension cords and one reeled 150 foot cord from it. They're invaluable for outside work and are also great for emergencies. I also keep some heavy 6-8 foot cords as well.

[info]fearsclave

December 16 2008, 01:34:14 UTC 3 years ago

Linked to this over on my personal LJ. Good stuff, and thanks for sharing!

[info]roadrash1970

December 16 2008, 02:29:31 UTC 3 years ago

Excellent stuff, thanks for putting it together. We've done many of the same types of things at our cabin. Lighting is always one of our top "nice to haves". During the day when I'm working and using the generator we use two battery chargers to top off two deep cycle batteries. At night, small <150 watt inverters power up CFL lights (13 Watts each)... They are very good on power. Unless you have a gas stove or use a microwave often we've done very well with a two burner propane setup from Cabelas (inexpensive at 39bucks).

Next year will include a much bigger investment in batteries... An 8000W gen doesnt care much if your drawing 100W or 7500W, so maximizing the storing of power while reducing the run time factors in to our plan. Keep plenty of extra oil/filters/plugs available as well.... running for extended times really toasts the oil pretty quick.

[info]chairtomorrow

December 16 2008, 03:50:59 UTC 3 years ago

How were you handling the CO issue with all of the kero and gas-powered equipment? (I suppose opening the window was kind of dicey...)

[info]eviltwin2

December 16 2008, 04:44:43 UTC 3 years ago

I've never had a CO issue with a kerosene heater going in the house. I suppose if your house is cold enough to need a kerosene heater, it's got enough drafts and leaks to handle the CO.

The gas powere generator was kept chained up outside. We did have a Coleman gas powered lantern, but that was kept inside an unused fireplace with it's glass doors closed, thus illuminating the living room while venting up the chimney.

[info]ericthemage

December 16 2008, 04:34:52 UTC 3 years ago

My dad loaned (gave?) us a 4500 watt generator, and I picked up a new 1200 watt generator for $99 on sale a few months back. The 4500 watt generator is heavy, I can imagine how heavy the 5500 watt generator is! I haven't figured out how to lock down the 1200 watt generator, it's light enough for anyone to walk off with.

I've been looking at the LED flashlights at http://www.dealextreme.com and can't decide which one I want. I do have several LED lanterns that have been on clearance at the local hardware stores, as well as some tent lights that we used in the shower during the last power outage.

I also have a butane one burner stove, which is safe to use indoors, but fuel around here is scarce.

What scanner do you have?

[info]roadrash1970

December 16 2008, 13:16:36 UTC 3 years ago

Course this may not help your right now, if the ground is frozen however when we installed our generator at camp, we wanted to lock it down. Dug a hole under the location where the generator was going to go, fill with 2 bags of cement and before it dried, I stuck a piece of piece of bent re-bar into it (U) shaped. The rebar is about a foot under ground. Loop a heavy tow chain or something to it and fill it back in. About $10 worth of materials and its virtually impossible to remove. Depending on how you attach to that rebar, only a small section of chain is needed. When the generator is not being used, just unlock it and move it back into storage. Just a thought, hope it helps

[info]ericthemage

December 16 2008, 14:42:07 UTC 3 years ago

That works for the large generator, but the small generator has no obvious places to lock a chain or anything to. I was thinking of finding one of those locking equipment cages to put it in.

[info]eviltwin2

December 16 2008, 16:47:42 UTC 3 years ago

When I poured concrete for the fence posts around my pool I over-engineered. I dug holes about 5 feet deep, put in 12 inch diameter cardboard tubes (sonotubes) and filled them with concrete. Before the concrete set, I put 12 inch long shaft eye bolts As well as the fence posts.

I used these as anchor points for a pool cover, but found they were equally handy as anchors for locking stuff up, attaching pulleys when making hauling rigs, etc.

[info]zercool

December 17 2008, 00:31:13 UTC 3 years ago

There's a lot to be said for Maglite LEDs (4D LED $30ish); I've converted my D-cell models with excellent results. If you want a headlamp, I really like the various Black Diamond models (keep an eye on steepandcheap.com for an occasional deal). Leatherman has just released their "Serac" line of lights which are getting excellent reviews; I've put the S2 ($35-40) on my wishlist as a balance of runtime and light output.

I've also played with the Tiablo A1/MA1, which is insanely bright and runs on a single AAA. Very nice daily carry light, but tough to find on the market right now.

And, of course, there's SureFire ... I keep a G2L on my belt during hunting season and on the bedside table the rest of the year. Pricey ($65), but excellent light quality, compact, and very bright. Batteries (CR123A) may be harder to find in a pinch but lithiums store forever and aren't horribly expensive.

[info]brigidsblest

December 16 2008, 05:15:09 UTC 3 years ago

Here via [info]fearsclave.

You can not have too many clean 5 gallon pails with lids. They stack easily and can be had free if you’re willing to put the time into cleaning them.

Since adapting new uses for old items is always something that's on my mind, I should point out that the heavy 35- or 38-pound plastic buckets that clay cat litter comes in make perfect containers for things like this. I have 5 cats and go through a lot of litter. Some of the buckets I've collected over the last year have had holes drilled in the bottom of them to turn them into garden containers (since the land I have converted to garden is not nearly enough), but leaving them intact with lids on, once they were thoroughly cleaned out after the last litter was used, would also make good water buckets.

[info]aummaster

December 16 2008, 17:20:14 UTC 3 years ago

Depends on what kind of plastic they are. For short term storage they might be good but I would hesitate to use them long term.
I would use them for food storage if they are lined with mylar.

[info]tarvae

December 16 2008, 13:01:16 UTC 3 years ago

On the lantern issue hubby picked up a very nice little piece of kit recently on sale for peanut. It's a wind up LED lantern/radio and cellphone charger. Good bright light too.

[info]villavengore

December 16 2008, 13:39:18 UTC 3 years ago Edited:  December 16 2008, 13:39:50 UTC

Posted direct to your personal LJ....

Because I'm a bit of a muppet

[info]bodhishugenja

December 16 2008, 22:06:14 UTC 3 years ago

Woah. What a great post...

Dude, I was wondering...are there any strategies for suppressing/hiding/disguising the noise a generator makes? Especially in a suburban setting?

[info]zercool

December 17 2008, 00:15:08 UTC 3 years ago

Short of getting a liquid-cooled permanent installation, you're not *really* going to hide a running genset. Even the permanent ones aren't that quiet.

You could install it in a small shed, then insulate the shed. Pipe in to the air intake and the exhaust... you may run into heat issues, though. Tough call.

[info]eviltwin2

December 17 2008, 15:54:36 UTC 3 years ago

My plan for when I am whole again is to pour a nice slightly elevated concrete pad a slight distance from the house in a location that is easy to observe. The pad will be about 2 steps above ground level and have ring bolts in the concrete.Itnstead of conventional steps, I'll pour ram/steps so I can wheel the generator in and out.

Over that I shall construct a small shed using 2x10's with a shed type roof. Seriously insulate tehw alls and sheathe the outside with foamboard under conventional siding. Locking double doors with on door storage for cables and fluids. LED lights inside so I can see what I am doing. Quick connect exhaust pipe and air intake.

I believe that this will dramatically reduce the sound signature while sheltering and securing the generator as well as keeping it's accessories and maintainance gear in one place. In the winter I don't anticipate temperature being a problem. Summertime, hard to say.

[info]roadrash1970

December 17 2008, 19:43:29 UTC 3 years ago

Here is an example, so far its worked for WAY longer than anticipated (3 years)

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Used pressure treated 4x4's as the frame, each of the walls and half the roof are on hinges and close up with butterfly latches. When hot or refilling the fuel take, I tip up the roof to gain access.

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primary 30A runs through the twist lock and into ungerground pipe (hooks inside the house to panel). Also, Note the box fan attached... when super hot, I kick on the fan and have not had any issues running it in 100 degree weather.

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You cant see it in the pics but there is a heavy tow chain through the frame of the genset, goes through the decking and 3ft down into the ground with concrete. To service the gen outside of the gen-shed, simply unlock and roll out.

This model had the ability (as do many others) to have a remote oil drain... SUPER HANDY... basically its a 16 inch section of rubber pipe that has a plug on the end. Makes draining the oil into a larger container very easy. Tool box contains emergency oil, an air filter, tools and spark plugs.

[info]eviltwin2

December 17 2008, 23:24:50 UTC 3 years ago

Very well done.

I had been thinking about something a little larger, but looking at your set-up I think you pretty well nailed it.

As I said, when I can use both arms again, I'll work up something.

Thanks for sharing, it's really very well done!

[info]roadrash1970

December 18 2008, 00:35:30 UTC 3 years ago

Thank you for the kind words... Figured a few pictures may get others "creative" juices flowing. Honestly it was never meant to be anything permanent. Its primary use was to keep the weather off the generator while the construction crew build our cabin. Ok, cabin is a stretch, it turned more into a house. Its an 8000W 120/240 and provided more than enough for a crew of 4-5 guys daily, for almost 2 months of construction. Each week I'd run up there and change the oil and keep it running smooth. The pictures didnt show the back wall open but that is on hinges as well. Since I didnt think we would still have it in place, I never even put a better roof on it, just a heavy tarp currently. In winter, the three sides can be closed up and the back wall open for exhaust... It also helps deflect the noise with that configuration. We have a Yamaha 5700 at home that is quiet as a mouse... this thing sounds like you are at a monster truck rally. The box fan does a great job keeping everything cool and its got the extra power to burn anyway ;-)

Ultimate goal (probably years away) is a diesel with all the fixins like a 90 Gallon storage tank/base, water cooled, completely enclosed in a structure further away from the house with remote start. Initial estimates on that setup is about 7K ish not including the structure, just the genset and cables.

[info]jreeves2

February 6 2009, 22:03:24 UTC 3 years ago

gensets

I once had a 5kw generator running in a 'fort' made of bales of wheat straw. Had a kind of a maze of straw bales with a sheet of OSB on top covered with a tarp.

[info]mhaithaca

January 7 2009, 19:15:07 UTC 3 years ago

A friend just shared a link to this post, which has lots of great ideas. Thank you!

One suggestion I'll add is to keep several solar-powered path lights on hand and in good condition... and outside. Even on cloudy days, there's enough sunlight to recharge their batteries for a couple of hours of use... and you can bring them inside to light the dining room table for dinner, set next to the bed to read, or see what you're doing in the bathroom. If you're snowed or iced in but it's sunny, the light can last all night, and some can easily be switched on and off as needed. Just don't forget to bring them out again the next morning to recharge!

[info]sarig

January 25 2009, 22:48:22 UTC 3 years ago

This is a great post, makes me want to go shopping! :)

Anonymous

March 28 2012, 18:43:38 UTC 2 months ago

What kind of nonsense? This is not interesting. There is no such a thing.

[info]eviltwin2

March 28 2012, 19:29:07 UTC 2 months ago

I don't understand your comment.

Could you please elaborate?
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